AGM – here’s an agenda for tonight’s meeting

Don’t forget – doors open 7.00 at Melvin Hall for refreshments and memberships, free pen for the first 20 to pay.   Meeting proper starts at 7.30.


Tuesday 20th November 2018


  1. Introduction
  1. Annual Review & Accounts
  1. Appointment of Committee:

Penge Forum relies on the voluntary work of a small number of committee members who make sure these meetings happen, contribute to the general work of the Forum and give generously of their time and practical support.

We would be delighted to welcome new members.

The following have served on the committee during 2017/18

Ariane Brito

Stephen Brushett (Treasurer)

Chris Doran (Secretary)

Charlotte Fletcher (Crystal Palace Community Trust)

John Getgood (Chair)

Linda Huggins (St Hughes)

Maureen Kennedy

Jane Morley (Road Safety)

Fiona Notman (Refreshments)

Chris O’Shaughnessy (Heritage)

Wendie Roche (Vice-Chair, Membership)

  1. Guest Speakers: Amy Harris and James Hilsden from Bromley Council – waste collection, recycling, street cleaning and parks management,.
  1. Reports from local organisations

Please join us for a glass of wine or soft drink, some nibbles and general socialising.

Penge Forum would like to thank the many people who have supported our attempts to keep community meetings alive in Penge and in particular the Trustees of Melvin Hall, Andy at Press Gang and our Local Councillors.

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How your vote could help support Alexandra Rec Bowls Club

From Bromley Community Links:

Until 20th November there is an opportunity to vote for projects in the
Aviva Community Funding Competition. You can have 10 votes which you can
use at any time during the voting phase and you can support as many
projects as you like with your votes. Spread them around or use them all
to support one project.

There is just one Penge project, at the Bowls Club in Alexandra Rec. To
find this, and others in the wider area, put Penge in the “Find projects
by location” search box at

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Anerley Town Hall Library Space – Meeting, Monday 19th November




What is the meeting about? WHAT TO DO WITH THE OLD LIBRARY SPACE?

Crystal Palace Community Trust now have the lease for the whole building
– and part of the money needed to refurbish the Library Space – Now we
need good peoples input, good heads.


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Join us for a glass of wine at the Penge Forum AGM on Tuesday 20th November, 7 pm for 7.30 pm

In advance of Tuesday’s AGM, our Annual Report for 2017/18 (at the end of this post) gives a short summary of some of the activities we have been involved in over the last 12 months.
Please use the free refreshment time between 7 and 7.30 to either join or renew your membership – £5 or £3 for concessions.    As a small incentive, the first 20 to sign up and pay will receive a free “I  Penge” pen. (Also available from Press Gang of course.)
The meeting will start with a brief run through of official business – presenting the accounts, electing the committee etc. We really do need more members to come forward to serve on the committee and help organise our meetings,so please consider whether you can help us keep Penge Forum going.
The business session will be kept as short as possible, so we can move on to the main part of the evening. There’s been a lot of interest already in our topic – waste collection, recycling, street cleaning and parks management, Amy Harris and James Hilsden from Bromley Council will give a presentation and answer your questions.
Finally, as this is our AGM, we invite you to stay and join us after the meeting for a glass of wine or soft drink with nibbles, just to mark another busy year for Penge Forum.
It should be a good evening – We hope you can join us.


Highlights of the year 2017/18

We have held four well attended Open Meetings with audiences of between 70 and 100. Three meetings were held at Melvin Hall and one at Anerley Town Hall.

Ellie Reeves, recently elected as MP for Lewisham West and Penge, was the guest at our 2017 AGM. Ellie gave an interesting talk on her first months as an MP and answered questions on her work.

With the local council elections held this year, we invited candidates from all the major parties to an election Hustings in April.

In June, we met at Anerley Town Hall to discuss services for young people. The information collected helped inform a successful funding bid for new provision by the Crystal Palace Community Trust. It was encouraging to see so many young people attend and contribute to the meeting.

A late change of plan for the September meeting meant we were able to welcome some of our local councillors to answer questions from a well informed audience.

For this AGM we want to reflect local concerns so are pleased to welcome council officers responsible for waste, recycling and street cleaning.

Penge Forum made representations to the Boundary Commission Review. where we successfully argued that Crystal Palace and Penge should remain together in the new parliamentary constituency proposals.

We have also commented on planning applications that may have threatened the commercial viability of Penge High Street and were represented on the Penge Town Centre Team.

Our nomination of Penge East Community Centre for inclusion in Bromley’s list of Assets of Community Value, which gives it some added protection should redevelopment be proposed, has also been successful.

One of our committee members sits on the Road Safety Advisory Panel has has persuaded the council to listen to local views when formulating its new Road Safety Policy.

Penge Forum also tries to have a presence at most local events. Specifically this year we were at the Penge Festival Fete and held a stall in Empire Square to gather views on road safety.

Membership of the Forum has remained fairly constant at around 80 throughout the year. Income exceeded expenditure by £81.18. Accounts will be available at the meeting. The small membership fee allows us to have an official membership when dealing with the council, pays for the hire of halls and helps us to support local events. All committee members are volunteers.

I’d like to close by thanking the committee for all their hard work over the year in supporting our work. If you wish to join the committee, please make yourself known at the meeting or reply to this email. You can also support our work by becoming a member of the Forum or renewing your current membership.

I look forward to seeing you at the AGM on Tuesday 20th November, 7.00 pm at Melvin Hall.

John Getgood, Chair, Penge Forum

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What questions would you want to put to the council officers running our waste, street cleaning, recycling and parks service?

Why do I have to separate my recyclables when the refuse collectors throw them in the same lorry? Why is my road sometimes left in a mess after the refuse collection? How much does the council save by only collecting every two weeks? Which plastics are recyclable? Why doesn’t the council clean my street as often as the schedule says they should? Why do you remove street bins instead of emptying them? These are some of the questions that have been posted on PTB and I am sure there are lots more. To find answers and understand the council’s policy better, join us for the next Penge Forum AGM on Tuesday 20th November, 7 for 7.30 at Melvin Hall. And as it’s the AGM – a glass of wine (or soft drink) and nibbles to follow…..

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Refuse collections, recycling and street cleaning the focus at 2018 Penge Forum AGM

The Penge Forum AGM will be held on Tuesday November 20th 7pm at Melvin Hall.

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Meet up for Penge Forum, Saturday 3rd November, 11 – 1, Empire Square

Come and meet us at the Penge Forum tent in Empire Square on Saturday morning, 3rd November between 11 o’clock and 1 pm.

As well as details of our AGM, we’ll be conducting a road safety feedback survey, have details and merchandise for the Penge Heritage Trail, Penge Calendars will be on sale, and you can join or renew your Penge Forum membership. We hope to see you there.

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Consultation on future of Crystal Palace Sports Centre

There is an ongoing consultation on the long term future of CP National Sports Centre.  The Mayor of London is leading this, with a view to rationalise, reduce the overall range and scale of sports, and reduce costs.

There are consultation events on the “design options” on October 10/11th  and 16/17th . (cut off survey date for this design options stage is 3rd October).

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Scheme to extend step free access in South-Eastern stations

This could also be discussed at our  Open meeting on Tuesday 25th September:



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Last chance to visit Crystal Palace Subway this year – this Sunday 23rd September

Come and visit the Crystal Palace Subway this Sunday 23 September

This is possibly your last chance to visit the subway this year.

Opening this SUNDAY 23 SEPTEMBER from 10AM TO 5PM, it’s a great chance
to see this marvellous space.

Entrance to Crystal Palace Subway is on Crystal Palace Parade opposite
the park between bus stop B and C.

Please expect queues as it is a very popular event.

Note that there is no wheelchair access to the subway. Buggies,
pushchairs, scooters etc. need to be left at street level. Stewards will
look after them so don’t worry they will be safe.

Only assistance dogs are allowed.

All donations will go towards the Crystal Palace Fstival.

Click here to visit the Subway’s website for more information

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We’re pleased to announce that Cllr Josh King from Clock House ward will be joining our panel on Tuesday September 25th


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Local councillors open for question on Tuesday September 25th

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Cllr Kathy Bance (Penge & Cator) and Cllr Marina Ahmad (Crystal Palace) are the guests at the next Penge Forum meeting on Tuesday 25th September at Melvin Hall.  They will be taking part in an open question session, so you can ask them about any aspect of their work on Bromley Council and discuss those issues that affect you most.

 We will also be asking members to approve a Constitution change which will allow us to go ahead with our plans to nominate Penge East Community Centre as an Asset of Community Value.  This is so we can give it some protection should there be future plans to develop that site.  To comply with changes in the regulations, lawyers have advised us that our Constitution needs to include the words Any surplus funds will be used solely in accordance with the objects of the Constitution.  No surplus funds or other finance will be distributed at any time to those in membership or former membership of Penge Forum.” There will be a short discussion on this but only paid up Members will be able to vote on the proposal, and we will be asking them to formally approve this change.

As other items are confirmed for the Meeting we will let you know.  As usual, we will provide tea, coffee and biscuits for an informal chat from 7.00pm before the meeting starts at 7.30pm.

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Reporting faulty traffic lights

The TfL customer services number for reporting faulty traffic lights is 03432 221234.

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Summer Safer Cycling Courses in Bromley

A round up from Jane, Penge Forum’s Road Safety Rep:

Bromley’s Road Safety Cycle Team are running a whole host of FREE training and activities for the whole family over the summer.

Need help with safe cycling? There are FREE Family Cycle Training starting from Cator Park & Norman Park, with three different levels to suit all ages and abilities.

Not sure of you’re bike is ready for this? Take your bike for a FREE Dr Bike MOT every second Saturday in Norman Park, where they’ll also fix minor faults.

Now you’d like to cycle to and from work? Bromley will help you plan a route using quieter roads and also ride it with you on your first journey from home and back again.

For more details and who to contact follow this link to the Bromley cycle training web site:

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Mobility Scooters and Electric Wheelchair Users

One of our members has asked if we could post these answers from the council to questions about the use of mobility scooters.

 Know your scooter/wheelchair

Does your powered wheelchair or scooter have a top speed of 8 mph? If so, this is defined as a Class 3 ‘invalid carriage’ in ‘The Use of Invalid Carriages on Highways Regulations 1988’ and may be driven on the road. Before doing so, it must be registered with the DVLA and display a free disabled tax disc, renewed annually.


Although you do not have to be insured by law, we strongly recommend that you have at least third-party cover. It is also a good idea to be covered for fire, theft and damage.

Out and About

Do not use your scooter if you have been drinking alcohol or taking drugs. Check the patient information on any medication your doctor prescribes or which you buy over the counter. If the information says the medication could cause drowsiness, don’t use the scooter.

See and be seen! If you are using anything to protect you from the weather, make sure that it does not restrict your vision. Wear fluorescent materials or have fluorescent markings on your scooter and put on your lights to help other road users see you.

Do not carry another person (child or adult) with you on the scooter. Also, do not carry or lead a pet while you are on your scooter. Even trained and well-behaved animals can be unpredictable and cause crashes.

On the road

In order to drive on the road, you must have headlights, rear lights, flashing indicators and a horn.

Keep to the left and obey the same rules of the road as other traffic.  It’s wise to avoid busy roads, as you are driving a small, slow and very vulnerable vehicle.

You must give way to pedestrians on crossings. To turn right, it may be safer to turn onto the pavement and use a pedestrian crossing to cross the road. If there is no pavement, it may be safer to stop on the left and wait for a safe gap in the traffic.

 On the pavement

Pedestrians have the right of way.  On pavements or footpaths, Class 3 vehicles must be switched over to the 4 mph setting.  However, you are unlikely to achieve that speed on crowded pavements.

Remember, pedestrians may not see or hear you approaching them, especially from behind. Look carefully before you move off or change direction.

Do not park your scooter where it would cause an obstruction and make it difficult for others to use the pavement or footpath.

For more information contact the Road Safety Unit: or call 020 8313 4546

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Short report on recent Youth Activities meeting

Jane Morley writes:

Penge Forum’s meeting on 25 June 2018 was held to help Crystal Palace Community Development Trust’s consultation on youth provision locally. An audience of around 50 heard short presentations from Councillor Kathy Bance, Inspector Gary Byfield, Teena Marshall (Streetwise Youth Centre) and Elaine Harrison (Youth Services Coordinator CPDT). The audience (of Penge Forum members, parents, and young people) put forward ideas and questioned the panel.

Main points made were that:

We needed to find ways of working despite local government cut-backs. There were alternative sources of funding, but these required research and making of convincing cases.

The best way for local voices to be heard was to turn up to Bromley Council’s meetings, held in Bromley Civic Centre, either to put questions individually or to support others.

Although activities were taking place, communication was fragmented and did not reflect the ways young people now receive information – mostly through social media, and Snapchat and Instagram were more effective for this particular audience than Facebook and Twitter (mostly for the middle-aged).

Although some young people resisted information which came through their own parents, others valued parental input, so an increased use of Snapchat did not mean that Facebook should be downgraded. The various social media should be seen as complementary.

Equally there was still a role for flyers and traditional means of communication. For example, Bromley Borough’s website (via provides a central site for publicising youth facilities, once an organisation is registered. And the Streetwise Youth Centre can pass on information about events if notified.

There are three local youth clubs, Brownies, Cubs etc, but these did not get sufficient publicity. Although venues are limited for further activities, Melvin Hall, for example, has spare space in the evenings.

The more that adults volunteered to help with arrangements, the more it was likely extra events would take place. Whatever activity was agreed on, it was important that young people were kept safe, and that the activities were evaluated to ensure that they continued to be seen as valuable.

There was a lot of pressure on the school curriculum and living skills were felt to have been edged out. So there was interest in getting together sessions to develop entrepreneurial skills, to provide practice for job interviews, to tease out ideas about what employment routes there are, and how to present yourself more positively, for example by practising how to speak in public.

Pledges made by the main speakers were:

Kathy: would try to ensure that evening events for young people in Melvin Hall were available at low/no cost for hire.

Gary: The police would update their communications, and work more closely with local groups and partners.

Teena: would look again at advertising of events, ensuring that leaflets were available at all libraries and other locations visited by the public.

Elaine: would talk to others outside of this meeting on how to get information better coordinated by Bromley Council and how to gather information better from young people.

Penge Forum would also look to improve its communications.

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June 25th Penge Forum meeting on Youth Services to be held at Anerley Town Hall

250618youthposterThe next Penge Forum meeting will have a slightly different format. A number of members have suggested youth activities as a theme for a meeting.  So, for our meeting on Monday June 25th, we are teaming up with the Crystal Palace Community Development Trust to ask what services and support young people would find helpful and what services do we think, as a community, we could or should provide?
We have invited local youth clubs and members of the Bromley Youth Council to join us. We are also pleased that Cllr Kathy Bance (Penge & Cator), Inspector Gary Byfield (Safer Neighbourhoods panel) and Elaine Harrison, (Youth Services Co-ordinator, CPCDT) have accepted an invitation to attend. This is a unique opportunity to question and share ideas with police, youth workers, local councillors and parents and young people from Penge, Crystal Palace and Anerley.
This meeting is being held at Anerley Town Hall on Monday 25th June. The meeting will start at 7.30pm, though doors open at 7pm for light refreshments and socialising.
We do hope that many of our members and supporters will want to share the experience. 
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Report from Penge Forum’s Road Safety Representative

The next meeting of the Bromley Council Road Safety Panel is on Tuesday, June 5th.

If you have issues you would like to be raised, such as road layout and ongoing problems, please let me know by close of play Sunday, June 3rd.

I will try for feedback on issues raised on behalf of Penge at the last meeting.

I’m also going to ask Bromley Council to consider putting an emergency contact number on traffic lights in case of problems.

In the meantime, if you know there are potholes, defective lighting and signage, damaged pavements and kerb stones, all these can be reported direct to Bromley Council for action either by phone or via their website.  If your road is plagued by speeding motor vehicles and poor driving the Penge and Cator Safer Neighbourhood Team is the best contact for action.  You supply details of vehicles and times of highest offending and they will pass the information on to the Traffic Police.  The same applies to inconsiderate cycling.

Jane Morley

Penge Forum Road Safety Rep

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Local Election Hustings to be held on Tuesday April 24th

Penge Forum will be organising an election husting to take place on Tuesday April 24th at Melvin Hall.

Hustings Poster from PDF document

The names of the candidates in our three local wards (Crystal Palace, Penge and Cator, Clock House) doe the Bromley Council elections on Thursday May 3rd have been announced and can be found here:

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Notes from recent Road Safety Panel meeting

Safety issues raised via Penge Forum for Bromley Road Safety Panel Meeting 13.3.18

Newlands Park, Lennard Road, Parish Lane, Kings Hall Road, Thicket Road, Maple Road, Oakfield Road, side roads off Croydon Road are all experiencing boorish behaviour by motorists:

  • Speeding;
  • Not indicating when turning into roads;
  • Verbally abusing and/or not giving way to pedestrians already crossing the road.

Most incidents appear to be taking place around the junction of Lennard Road with Parish Lane.  Suggestions made:

  • 20 mph speed limit at bend in road where Newlands Park turns into Lennard Road, complemented by signage asking motorists to slow as pedestrians are likely to be crossing, accessing Penge East Railway Station, the shops in Station Parade the bus stops in Lennard Road and Newlands Park, Alexandra Recreation Ground’s children’s play ground and en route to local schools.
  • Improved signage particularly for informal crossing on corner of Lennard Road with Newlands Park or, ideally, an improved and safer crossing;
  • Signage reminding motorists that s170 of Highway Code gives priority to pedestrians already in the road.
  • Mini-roundabout at junction of Parish Lane with Lennard Road to improve safer exit for motorists from Parish Lane into Lennard Road as sight lines are compromised (in part by parking on pavement on section of Lennard Road running alongside the lower boundary of the children’s playground).
  • “Slow, pedestrians crossing” signage in Parish Lane and Penge Lane to replace the out-dated (new road layout) signage removed last year, taking account of the increased footfall since the opening of the Alexandra Public House and the Alexandra Nurseries and Tea Room.

Further thought to be given on how to cut speeds of traffic in Kings Hall Road (particularly near entrance to Kent House Station, the pre-school establishment, the alleyway into Cator Park, which is soon to be used by increased numbers of cyclists if the Quiet Ways scheme goes ahead. Ditto for Kent House Road which is parked on both sides of the road and passes two schools.

Further thought to be given to pedestrians attempting to cross Maple Road at its junction with Penge High Street. Motorists reported to be driving into Maple Road from the High Street without signalling and at speeds too fast for pedestrians to cross comfortably. Many pedestrians are accompanied by small children. Many others are simply not as adept as they were at dodging traffic. Pedestrian refuge suggested.

Further thought to be given to pedestrians attempting to cross Oakfield Road at its junction with Penge High Street. Same problems as with Maple Road – traffic attempting the corner too quickly, not signalling their intentions. If a pedestrian refuge is not practicable, perhaps a raised section of road at this junction?

Further thought to be given to pedestrians attempting to cross side roads off Croydon Road. Again cars turn into these roads at speed (especially if they have to turn across the traffic in Croydon road).

Finally does anyone have contact details for the London Safety Camera Committee (representatives of police, London Borough and Health authorities sit on this, but there seems to be no way an ordinary mortal can contact them).

And can we have an updated list of projects and their contact officers circulated for the coming year, please?

Jane Morley

Penge Forum Representative

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